December 19, 1977

Executive Committee of the American Institute of Physics

Minutes of Meeting

Members Present: P. M. Morse – Chairman, R. T. Beyer, W. A. Fowler, L. W. Fredrick, W. W. Havens Jr., H. W. Koch, Sidney Millman, J. W. Quinn, A. A. Strassenburg

Nonvoting Participants: R. D. Burbank (ACA), Jacques Ovadia (AAPM)


  • Ronald Peirls – Chairman, Manpower Committee (for Item No. 10)
  • R. J. Moynihan – Consultant (for Item No. 11)
  • Richard C. MacDermott – Landauer Associates (for Item No. 16)

AIP Staff: H. W. Koch, Director; Sidney Millman, Secretary; G. F. Gilbert, Treasurer; R. H. Marks, Associate Director for Publishing; Lewis Slack, Associate Director for General Activities; Dorothy M. Lasky, Assistant to the Director; Mary M. Johnson, Assistant to the Secretary


In the absence of Chairman Morse, who arrived only moments later, the Executive Committee elected Havens Chairman Pro Tem, and the meeting was called to order at 10:05 a.m.

1. Minutes

Upon motion made and passed without dissent, the minutes of the meeting of 26 October 1977 were approved.

2. Allocation of Retroactive Interest on Short-Term Investments

Beyer reported that the Acoustical Society of America Council had decided to waive the right of ASA to any interest that may be due to the Society as a result of short-term investment income that AIP has earned during the years 1975, 1976, and 1977. The resolution passed by the Council stated that the process of calculating how much money AIP might owe ASA is too time-consuming and constitutes an unnecessary expenditure of money without creating any new money.

Fowler reported that, in line with previously announced expectations, one-half of the American Physical Society settlement of retroactive interest on short-term investment income for 1975 and 1976 has been transmitted to AIP to go into the endowment fund of the Center for History of Physics, i.e., the sum of $27,500.

3. Woodbury Status

  1. Renovation Schedule and Projected Occupancy Timetable

    Marks reported that there has been some slippage in the schedules previously estimated. It is now expected that the Long Island publishing operation will move in February. We had some difficulty in obtaining the windows, which accounted for about a month’s slippage. Otherwise, everything is going well and the Subscription Fulfillment Division move will probably be in June.

  2. Plans for Report in Physics Today

    Koch thought it would be desirable to hold off on a report on the move to Woodbury until after the renovations of the building are sufficiently completed so that we can include some photographs. We might take photographs of people moving in and include them in a full-blown report on the move in Physics Today. Havens suggested that we have pictures of the Governing Board meeting at the Woodbury location.

4. Status of Implementation of New Copyright Law

Koch distributed a 14-page document giving in tabular form a summary of the status of implementation of the new copyright law for all AIP journals, translation journals, and Society-owned journals, including the transfer of copyright agreement forms used. He stated that APS has decided to have no copying fees. There are variations in philosophy and attitude. Many other issues will be coming up. What to do when we have not received the transfer form? What if an article is submitted for publication by a U.S. Government employee who, we are told, has no copyrights and therefore cannot sign a transfer?

Quinn asked whether a society will incur liability when it sticks the copyright notice on a work for hire when it has received a form signed by someone in the company who is not authorized to do so. Koch thought that, in such a case, the society will incur liability. The problem is being considered by a newly-hired full-time staff person, Joyce Goodwin. He also noted that AIP continues to receive suggestions for wording changes from employers. If authors want to submit forms with minor wording changes we can accept, we will do so. The most serious problem at present is the publishing of articles submitted by employees of the U.S. Government. For the time being, we will continue to accept them and omit any reference to copyright ownership. Havens added that APS has been receiving suggestions for alternate wordings for the rights (#4) reserved to an author, namely: "In the case of a ‘work made for hire,’ the right of the employer to make copies of this article for his own use, but not for resale." These suggestions are being collected and will be used in a subsequent change of the transfer form.

5. Contributors to Copyright Clearance Center

Koch circulated an updated list of contributors to the Copyright Clearance Center, a copy of which is attached as Exhibit A.

6. Status of Tape Sale to Engineering Index

Marks reported that Engineering Index has accepted the AIP proposal submitted last February on the sale of abstracts on tape, which specified a price of $5.00 per item, with EI to be responsible for indexing according to their scheme. They have already put it in their 1978 budget and will pay us quarterly. They now estimate they will use about 7,000 items per year eventually. He added that, if we have five users of our data base, it will pay its ways; we now have four such users, if we include the actual as well as the potential: Engineering Index, ERDA, Physikalische Berichte, and Chemical Abstracts. He noted though that we have not as yet received an acceptance from the Germans on abstracts for Physikalische Berichte. It will be a one-year contract. The future price can, of course, be changed, but we do not want to change it until the market has been fully established.

7. Administrative Review Recommendations

Morse reported that an Administrative Review Committee consisting of George Pake, Robert Karplus, and Herbert Anderson was appointed at the October meeting, but it appears that the committee will not be able to get together at headquarters for discussions with the officers until after the first of the year. Morse asked whether the Executive Committee would want to constitute itself a committee of the whole to consider administrative salaries. Havens noted that, from his past experience, he feels certain that it is not a matter that can be handled in the short time that will be available after the budget has been discussed and other items of the present agenda have been disposed of. Quinn expressed his strong preference for seeing a report from the Pake committee after it has conducted an appropriate administrative review. Fowler noted that the Pake committee’s recommendations on salary changes can be retroactive. Morse added that we might profit by this experience and next time appoint an administrative review committee as early as September.

8. Election of Corporate Associates

Lasky reported that we will end 1977 with 92 Corporate Associates having paid $96,750. Three more have already been elected for 1978, and she asked for the election of two additional members: Hitachi, Ltd. and Brown, Boveri & Company Ltd. Upon motion made and passed without dissent, Hitachi and Brown, Boveri were elected Corporate Associates for 1978. Lasky added that, at the spring meeting of the Advisory Committee on Corporate Associates, she was authorized to approach a few foreign companies for possible membership. This she has done with the foregoing two positive responses.

She noted, however, that she already has a number of withdrawals for 1978, notably Mobil R & D, U.S. Steel, and Union Carbide.

9. 1977 Audit Timetable

Gilbert noted that the same staff that is working on the revision of our accounting system is also handling the audit. They will have three or four accounting interns from Iona College on a temporary basis to do the clerical work. He expects to have the 1977 audit on about the same schedule as in 1976. He noted also that this year we have an Audit Committee that will get directly involved in the audit itself. The committee is scheduled to meet some time in March.

10. Proposal for Initiating a Manpower Data Base

Slack referred to an agenda attachment on this item previously distributed and noted that at the October meeting of the Executive Committee discussions were initiated on a proposal for a demographic study of all the AIP Member Societies. The Executive Committee asked for further details. Since then, the AIP Manpower Committee met and this subject formed a central topic of its discussions. Slack then introduced Ronald Peierls, Chairman of the Manpower Committee, to report on the recommendations of his committee with respect to such a study.

Peierls stated that to do any kind of Manpower Statistics work, it is necessary to have some kind of data base to work with. There are two important ingredients to be included: (1) one should make use of the information which exists at the Institute, and (2) one should take advantage of developments in computer techniques to do this in a way that makes it easy to use and less likely to become obsolete.

Fredrick stated that the American Astronomical Society has questionnaires to fill out concerning race, and asked whether other Societies get these. After some discussion on the importance of maintaining privacy and, at the same time providing requested statistical information, Slack noted that AIP has been told that it has to supply to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission the racial composition of employees it has hired in the past three years. He noted also that in our Placement Service forms we have listed the racial questions as "voluntary." Many of the Privacy Act applications have to do with the use to which the information collected using Federal funds is put. One advantage in the proposed AIP questionnaire is that we would not be quite so constrained in its use. AIP has shown itself to be scrupulous in the matter of providing information that cannot be tagged to a specific individual. We would certainly continue such a practice. The information in the draft questionnaire is intended only to establish a data base, but certainly is not complete. It can be used for subsequent questionnaires. He pointed out that in 1978 only a portion of the membership will receive this questionnaire. The experience with this sample will be helpful in designing a similar subsequent questionnaire for the full membership.

Fredrick thought that, even in this form, it is a useful questionnaire. Once it goes to every member of AIP, AAS could isolate the astronomers and send them an identifiable form asking for their ethnic background. Beyer suggested that we solicit an opinion from the AIP attorneys on the possible inclusion of information on ethnic origin, and he introduced the following motion which was passed without dissent:

MOVED that, subject to legal opinion, AIP include in its questionnaire a screening for ethnic origin.

Peierls emphasized that the reason that the Manpower Committee wanted to make it a pilot program is that a lot more thought must be given to the way in which it is to be done.

11. Status of Computerization of Accounting and Conversion of Subscription Fulfillment Programs – Report by Consultant, R. J. Moynihan

Gilbert stated that, following his practice of the previous two meetings of the Executive Committee, he has had Moynihan prepare a status report on the subject to bring the Committee up to date. He distributed copies of Moynihan’s 16 December 1977 letter addressed to Gilbert, including sample formats of financial statements. He asked Moynihan to comment on the material.

Moynihan stated that, basically, we are on target for the 1978 goal – monthly reports on a timely basis. For the month of January, our target is 20 February. For the first report, he recommended that we get caught up and make a firm commitment to go to quoted costs, and these recommendations were accepted and extended. The mandate was that we put monthly reports out to cover settlement of all cash receipts and all quoted and service charges incurred during the previous month. Nonmember subscription income will be remitted to the Societies semi-monthly. AIP has a task force devoted to automation of quoted cost computation, and to design and format of settlement statements.

At one point, we were down to three programmers. One additional person has just been hired and another is scheduled to join the staff on 3 January 1978. That will leave three openings. The conversion of some of the Subscription Fulfillment programs has been backed up. It will take from 15 December to the end of February 1978 to be fully converted. Extension to AIP’s on-line capability has been put on the back burner. The Data Processing advisory committee has been meeting at least once a month.

12. Consideration of the Proposed 1978 Budget

In his introductory comments, Koch stated that a lot of attention has been given to the format and language used in recording income and expense and to the choice of words so as to be consistent with what the Societies use, such as “voluntary page charges.”  He noted that he expects 1978 to be a normal year.

In the Soviet translation program, our close relations with the Soviet editors have provided us with advance information allowing much more accuracy in budgeting. There are 11 additional staff members included in various parts of the budget, such as: a typist in Advertising; a part-time library assistant for the NSF grants administered by Rita Lerner; a programmer and systems analyst for Data Processing; a permissions editor in the Publications Division; a clerk-typist for six months in Personnel, and two maintenance people for our Woodbury building. For Physics Today, a new assistant editor and a part-time typist are proposed; an additional science writer for the Public Relations Division is also requested. With the recommended additions, we will end up with 390 people in three locations. We have included a provision for legal expenses we expect to incur in responding to the recent IRS actions. Koch thought that the proposed budget is reasonably conservative.

Gilbert opened the discussion of the 1978 budget (copies of the 86-page document had previously been distributed to Executive Committee members) by noting that the format is now the same for the budget and for financial statements. He went over the “Summary Statement of Operations” in some detail. He pointed to some of the cost centers that show dramatic changes in 1978. In the Accounting Section, the increase is mainly due to the increase in proration of Date Processing expense, reflecting the cost of computerization of Accounting.

The Data Processing increase is $165,000 over the projection for 1977 and it is in two areas: (1) salaries, to hire additional staff, and (2) rental and maintenance of equipment – a new second printer, 3 tape drives and remote connections added prior to the Woodbury move, and amortization of the new computer facility in the headquarters building.

Another important expense increase is in employee benefit costs from the 1977 budget of $510,000 to the 1978 budget of $617,000. Increases are: FICA 20%, hospitalization 70%, major medical insurance 85%, New York State Disability Insurance 95%, and New York State Unemployment Insurance 40%.

After a 50-minute recess for lunch, Marks took up the budget discussion of publishing items. He pointed to an increase in the number of pages to be published. He noted that this will be the third year in which we have not had any subscription price increase in our archival journals. He did, however, propose increasing the page charge rate for Applied Physics Letters from $90 to $95, and for The Physics of Fluids from $70 to $75 because the prerun cost per page for these journals is appreciably greater than the page charge. The following motion was made by Fredrick and passed without dissent:

MOVED that the page charge for Applied Physics Letters be increased from $90 to $95, and for The Physics of Fluids from $70 to $75, effective in 1978.

Marks continued, reporting that the transition in the billing for subscriptions to the translation journals last year to a calendar year basis had been a success. He anticipated that the four new Soviet journals will come close to breaking even in their third year, which is quite good. In our much closer relationship with the Soviets, we are able to find out early how many pages to expect and, therefore, can do better in budgeting.

Referring to Physics Today, Marks noted that “Applied Physics News” is to be introduced as a new feature and, for this program, one additional editor will be required. The editorial pages will also be increased from 600 to 650 as a result of this added feature.

Slack then briefly reviewed the components of the General Activities budget. He noted that it was approaching $1 million, of which about $770,000 is AIP support and about $210,000 is outside support. The latter includes about $90,000 from Society of Physics Students dues and related items, and about $95,000 from NSF and gifts for the Center for History of Physics. He noted also that the $984,000 budget includes the authorized cost of distributing 5,000 copies of the newly-developed career booklet, but does not include as yet the estimated cost of $18,700 for the pilot data base survey that the Manpower Statistics Division is now planning for 1978. The following motion was thereupon made by Fredrick and passed without dissent:

MOVED that the staff be authorized to proceed with the Manpower Statistics Pilot Data Base special project at a cost not to exceed $18,700.

Slack noted that we now have a full-time Director for the Manpower Placement Division.

For the Center for History of Physics, he reported that a grant application has been made to the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH) for matching money in which we propose to raise $300,000 and ask them to match it one to three under their matching program. We have also sent a letter to other Society presidents asking them to follow the example of APS in inserting in their dues bills a request for voluntary contributions to the Center for History of Physics.

On the activities of the Public Relations Division, he noted that there is an indication of interest by NSF to have AIP submit a proposal on television analogues of our Science Reports for radio stations. If we extend the Science Reports to TV, we should add another science writer to the staff.

After some brief discussion, the following motion was made by Havens, seconded by Beyer, and passed without dissent:

MOVED that the proposed budget for 1978, with revisions contained in the two foregoing motions, be approved.

(Copies of the “Summary Statement of Operations,” “Statement of Income and Expense,” and “AIP Archival Journals/Summary Statement of Income and Expense” as revised, are attached as Exhibit B.)

Quinn suggested that the Summary Statement of Operations for the 1978 budget be also included in the 1979 budget when it is prepared next year.

13. Proposal for Full Membership Participation in ANSI by AIP to Represent all Member Societies - $1,000 Dues

Millman informed the Executive Committee that, a couple of years ago, AIP became an Observer Member in two standards management boards of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI): Graphics Standards Management Board and Information Standards Management Board. The annual dues for observer status are $100 per year for each standards management board. We were not sure we were getting very much from this observer status. Recently, we were informed by ANSI that we can no longer maintain an observer status, and we were invited to become a full Institutional Member for which the annual dues are $1,000.

As a courtesy, ANSI had invited AIP to appoint an observer representative to its Acoustical Standards Management Board at no cost to us and our representative Rudolph Nichols, has urged us to join ANSI as a full member. The American Astronomical Society has also been approached to become a full member. Perhaps the best thing would be for AIP to become a full member and represent all of its nine Member Societies.

Beyer stated that the Acoustical Society of America is separately a full member of ANSI and pays the annual dues of $1,000. They would like very much to have AIP be a full member also to have the viewpoints of the physics community represented more fully in the councils of ANSI. ASA would maintain its own membership in addition. Quinn expressed some doubts about the advisability of AIP’s joining ANSI. He was not enthusiastic about their methods of operation. Fredrick reported that the involvement of the Astronomical Society in standards is essentially zero. AAS, however, is interested in symbols for which standards may be established. Havens suggested that we consider joining but appoint a good representative who would report back at the end of the year’s experience and advise us on continued involvement.

The following motion was made by Strassenburg and passed with one nay vote:

MOVED that AIP join the American National Standards Institute as a full Organizational Member at an annual dues of $1,000.

14. Remailing of APS Ballots

Koch reported that an error in the printing of APS election ballots has necessitated the reprinting and remailing of the same ballots. The cost incurred as a result of this error was $10,648. The initial mistake was made by a subcontractor of AIP. He asked for authorization for AIP to spend $10,648 which it has committed for reprinting and remailing of the APS ballots. The following motion was made by Strassenburg and passed:

MOVED that the Executive Committee approve the expense of $10,648 incurred in the reprinting and remailing of APS ballots be borne by AIP.

Fowler, Havens, and Beyer abstained from voting.

The meeting was recessed at 2:50 p.m. and Executive Committee members visited the General Electric building on Madison Avenue at 32nd Street. The meeting was reconvened, beginning with dinner, at the Sheraton Russell Hotel at 5:40 p.m.

15. IRS’s Proposed Revocation of AIP’s 501(c)(3) Tax Exemption Status

Koch informed the Exeuctive Committee that AIP has received official notification from the Internal Revenue Service, Manhattan District office, of its intention to revoke the AIP’s special 501(c)(3) tax exemption status. He pointed out that if revocation of our tax exempt status is sustained, it would, among other things, prevent our collecting page charges; it would subject AIP to real estate and sales taxes, and would also adversely affect our special mailing rate privileges. It would be very serious for AIP operations. AIP has, therefore, retained Webster & Chamberlain, a Washington law firm specializing in tax cases, to handle our appeal. William J. Lehrfeld is the partner who will be working on it for us.

Gilbert noted that AIP had been audited by IRS for the calendar years 1970 and 1971 and received a clean bill of health with respect to our deserving a 501(c)(3) status. The auditor whom IRS assigned to conduct our 1974 audit claims that the Institute is a service organization not operating exclusively for charitable, educational, and scientific purposes. Gilbert repeated the disadvantages cited by Koch if AIP’s exempt status were revoked. He also explained the difference between a 501(c)(3) and a 501(c)(6) organization; the former applies to organizations devoted principally to the advancement of the science and the latter to organizations devoted principally to the advancement of its individual members.

Havens reported on the notification that APS had received from the same auditor that audited AIP of IRS’s intention to reclassify APS from 501(c)(3) to 501(c)(6), which APS intends to contest. He stated that William Boylan of Davies, Hardy, Ives & Lawther is preparing the case for APS. Fowler stated his strong conviction that APS could not live with being reduced to 501(c)(6) and he would not like to see APS consider some compromise involving giving up its 501(c)(3) status, even though a change to 501(c)(6) is not quite as bad as complete revocation. He deplored the fact that both APS and AIP will encounter some rather substantial legal expenses.

16. Discussion of Possible Purchase of General Electric Building at Madison Avenue and East 32nd Street

  1. Introduction

    Koch noted that possible purchase of the International General Electric building was considered in February 1976 and was rejected as we settled on Woodbury as the second location with the hope that the Manhattan operations would be accommodated in our building at 335 East 42nd Street. It appears that this is not quite adequate and that we have to reconsider our Manhattan space.

    Koch circulated copies of a letter sent by Dr. Robert R. Wilson, Director of the Fermi Laboratory, who, at the suggestion of Norman Ramsey, visited New York on 12 December to look at both the General Electric and headquarters buildings and advise AIP on the consolidation of its Manhattan locations. Koch also took Wilson to Woodbury for a brief look at our building being renovated. A copy of Wilson’s 4-page report is attached to these minutes as Exhibit C.

    Koch stated that the AIP management will be happy to be guided by the views of the Executive Committee members on their perception of a desirable future headquarters for AIP, whether the emphasis is more on the functional aspects as can very readily be satisfied by the acquisition of the General Electric Building, or by a strong emphasis on an appropriate presence for a physics headquarters containing elements of elegance in the exterior of the headquarters and in some of the offices, as recommended by Wilson.

  2. Discussion of a 10-Year Plan for AIP Operations and Report on Buildings Evaluation by Landauer Associates

    Marks distributed copies of his 16 December 1977 memorandum to Koch entitled “AIP Office Space Analysis 1978-1988,” which he had prepared in response to Lewis Branscomb’s request that we develop a 10-year plan. He pointed to his estimated growth of the Societies and the resulting potential influence on the number of pages to be published, etc. He projected a total membership in 1988 of about 73,000 which represents a 22% increase over what we have now. He thought that this was a conservative estimate and that, if our conservatism is wrong, then we will need even more space.

    He noted that the General Electric building has about 100,000 square feet of space and provides flexibility in case we have underestimated or overestimated our needs. He estimated that AIP would save about $275,000 per year over what we are doing now and this means we could recoup the entire cost in five years. He noted also that we now have a legitimate offer for our present building which would net us $1.75 million; however, it is not in writing. Marks then introduced Richard C. MacDermott of Landauer Associates.

    MacDermott first described the methods he used to evaluate both the present AIP headquarters and the International General Electric building, and then made some comments on the present real estate situation in Manhattan. He noted that values in New York have been very low in the last three years but the market has hit the bottom and is beginning to go up now. It is now getting harder to find buildings with areas of about 100,000 square feet. It is different than it was a few years ago. The General Electric building is not in a very prestigious location but it will probably not go begging much longer.

    Koch mentioned the Abercrombie & Fitch building at Madison Avenue and 45th Street, which is a more prestigious location. It is of a size comparable to the General Electric building but the asking price is about $8 million. Quinn thought that such a price is outrageous and, if in general it qualifies for commercial purposes, then it is not suitable for AIP headquarters.

  3. General Discussion

    Havens said that, speaking for APS, he thought that AIP should define more specifically what it believes should be located in headquarters in New York City and what activities it wants to put in Woodbury. Still speaking for APS, he did not believe it is the appropriate time for AIP to purchase another building, even if it is necessary to incur additional operating costs in the next two or three years. We should devise a plan for acquisition of space over the next few years and implement that as best we can. Having failed to acquire the IBM building, he thought that we have to keep our eyes open to any opportunity that comes up. Either we put another building on the present 45th Street site, or get rid of it and make some other plans.

    Beyer asked why AIP is not planning to move most of the people now at 800 Second Avenue out to Woodbury. Marks replied that, in the case of copy editing, it is no less expensive on Long Island than in Manhattan and, moreover, it is difficult to get qualified people out there. Beyer said that he will side with APS. He gave as an additional reason the added pressure on AIP to defend its tax exemption status. He did not want the Institute to incur another huge expense at this time.

    Fredrick thought that the Madison Avenue and 32nd Street location would be a disaster for AIP. The neighborhood is not even close to what Fowler thinks of as the image for physics. He was not particularly interested in some of the grandiose recommendations contained in Wilson’s letter. He was concerned about the IRS threat against our exempt status. He thought we should tear our headquarters building down and build a new one since we are located in a high visibility location.

    Quinn stated that he was not impressed with the location of the General Electric building, nor with it as a real estate bargain. It would require close to the maximum in renovation and that would drive up the cost considerably. Strassenburg did not think that our present headquarters location is all that much better than 32nd Street. He was interested in the question of reducing the cost of doing business and was impressed with Marks’s figures.

    Fowler stated that he agreed with Robert Wilson in his recommendations that the AIP building be a presence appropriate for such an important sector of science and our culture as physics, and that it contain with some elegance the various offices of the Member Societies and the Directorate of AIP. The one thing that Fowler thought APS would support would be increased movement to Woodbury, with just the minimum kept in Manhattan for the headquarters.

    Millman reported that he had informed, in advance of the 19 December meeting, all Member Societies that have no representatives on the Executive Committee that the possible purchase of the International General Electric building will be considered, and invited them to transmit their views to the nonvoting participants who were planning to attend the meeting. He had also invited Arthur Bueche, one of our Governing Board members-at-large, to come to the meeting and bring with him, if he could, opinions from some of his General Electric colleagues who had formerly worked in the Madison Avenue building.

    The American Vacuum Society held their Board of Directors meeting at our headquarters on 15 December and, since they were not planning to send a nonvoting participant to the Executive Committee meeting on 19 December, they transmitted their views on the General Electric building at the luncheon of the Board to which Millman Marks, Gilbert, and Slack were invited. Four of the AVS Board members had visited the General Electric building on 14 December. The discussion, led by President Richard Hoffman, left no doubt that AVS was strongly in favor of AIP’s acquiring the General Electric building.

    Bueche, who had expected to attend the Executive Committee meeting, called early on 19 December to report that he would regretfully not be able to come, but transmitted to Millman the comments that he had collected from some of the previous occupants. These comments were quite negative. He cited specifically the following: heating less than adequate; toilets added to outside and therefore cold; air conditioning archaic and should be replaced; air flow has to be improved; biggest objection is the surrounding area, the location being just below the better part of town; bad hotel nearby; had to accompany secretaries if they worked after hours; location impedes the hiring of personnel: General Electric people were glad to get out.

    Fowler reiterated his feeling that the way to go is for the AIP staff to move as much as possible to Woodbury until it reaches diminishing returns. He is quite willing to give up all the grandiose thoughts he has had for an elegant headquarters.

    Morse agreed with Fowler. He recalled that the build-up of the advantages of moving to Long Island, starting with Lake Success and going through to Woodbury, left him with a feeling that it was going to be very much better and cheaper to put the majority of the personnel out on Long Island. He felt that many other Board members had the same impression. If that impression is wrong, the AIP staff is going to have a long hard task to change it.

17. Future Meetings

It was agreed that there should be no meeting of the Executive Committee in February; therefore, the next meeting will be held on the afternoon of Friday, 31 March, preceding the Governing Board meeting on that evening and the following day.

The annual Corporation meeting was also scheduled for Friday, 31 March 1978. A convenient time would be just before the meeting of the Executive Committee.

The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 p.m.