In this interview Murray Gell-Mann discusses topics such as: Richard Garwin, University of Chicago, particle physics, strangeness, Leon Lederman, nuclear defense policy, JASON, electronic fence, President's Science Advisory Committee (PSAC), Richard Nixon, supersonic transport (SST), Jay Keyworth, Star Wars. This interview is part of a collection of interviews on the life and work of Richard Garwin. To see all associated interviews, click here.